Episode 219: raid the recycling and help your houseplants

Clear plastic cups from cafes and bubble tea shops make great containers for many houseplants.

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Episode 219

Jane Perrone 00:04

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Jane Perrone 01:32

Hello, and welcome to On The Ledge podcast. I've done so many episodes. I have no idea what episode number this is. But welcome to the show. In this week's On The Ledge, I'm talking about how some common household items you normally throw away can be used for your plants. Plus, I answer a question about a droopy alocasia. And we hear from Natalie in meet the listener.

Jane Perrone 02:07

Thank you to all of you who've been adding #OTLsowalong to your social posts. This, in case you're new to the show, is my annual seed sowing extravaganza for anyone who wants to grow houseplants from scratch from seed, and listeners are never endingly adventurous in what they choose to sow. You can start with a cactus or a Coleus or you can be like leafy exotics and go for an Amorphophallus paeoniifolius - Wow! Amorphophallus is a really incredible genius. I don't know what Amorphophallus paeoniifolius looks like. I'm guessing that it has Peony-like leaves from that name, but well done @leafyexotics. That looks awesome.

Jane Perrone 02:55

I'm just going to click follow on your Instagram because for some reason I'm not following you. And in fact, @leafyexotics I've just noticed has posted loads of great ceiling pictures, including some begonia species while you really are upping your game @leafyexotics. And I'm excited about @olivehatesTrixie on Instagram who has got some coffee, Arabica beans, coffee beans to germinate. And notes "the first step to my coffee plantation Empire lol". They're amazingly beautiful, those berries actually, aren't they - I don't know how you go about germinating those. I imagine you've got to get that seed casing off, but I look forward to finding out more. @OlivehatesTrixie.

Jane Perrone 03:39

Over on the Houseplant Fans of On The Ledge Facebook group, things have been getting busy with the sowalong, Chris has got some tentative good news thinks that a Caladium Galaxy is finally coming up. Although Chris noted that it was necessary to check it wasn't just a piece of perlite: now, I think we've all been there with that particular problem, just as long as the piece of perlite doesn't turn out to be a root mealybug because that's my worst nightmare. And Elsebeth has posted a picture of an Opuntia baby. And it's a good picture actually, because Elsebeth has included a pen for scale. So you can just see how tiny these cute little pointy cotyledons - that's a fancy name for the seed leaves - the first leaves that emerge when a seed germinates. Ashley's been sowing lotus seeds and has been updating the Facebook page with images of them as they grow and wow, they're a curious looking seedling, that's for sure.

Jane Perrone 04:43

And I was also interested to see on a post about forest cacti that Jeff has crossed pollinated to Thanksgiving cacti waited two years for the seed pods to ripen and has seedlings that are still pretty small at six months old but so fascinating to see, thanks for sharing that Jeff. On a post by Jake about cross pollination that is planned between a red and a pink Easter cactus could get very interesting. And finally JB, posted a lovely post about an environmental club at West Los Angeles College. And they are taking part in the OTL sowalong and have got hold of some seed. Excellent news, JB and do let us know how it's going.

Jane Perrone 05:29

Thank you to Catrine, Lucy and Nick, who all became patrons this week, I've been looking at my Patreon stats and you really are a global bunch. One recent patron signed up from the Falkland Islands and another one is in Hong Kong. I just love picturing you with your plants. So thank you to everyone who has been supporting me on Patreon. And I do hope you liked the repot with me shed-based episode that came out yesterday An Extra Leaf number 89. These extra episodes there are two of them a month for Patreon subscribers at the Ledge End and Superfan level. And I love making these extra episodes. And I hope you enjoy them to find out more about joining the Patreon on the ledge clan in my show notes at Janeperrone.com.

Jane Perrone 06:27

Today, April, the 22nd 2022 is Earth Day. So I thought I'd come up with some ways you can cut down on waste by re using stuff from your recycling bin and your kitchen cupboards on your houseplants. I don't know about you, but I love free stuff, especially when it's things that I can divert from landfill, whether that's picking things up from the household recycling centre, or picking things out of my own recycling bin. So in this episode, today, I'm going to tell you about some of the stuff that I use from my houseplants that cost me absolutely nada, nothing, zilch, zero, naught and zip. And the advantage of saving a bit of money here and there is that you can spend the money you've saved on something else. Yes, of course, we're all thinking more plants, aren't we.

Jane Perrone 07:28

And I'm going to start out with a trio of things that you can pick out of the recycling bin and use on your houseplants. Item one: plastic spray bottles. Caveat before I begin talking about this, I do not mist plants for just the sake of adding some water to the leaves, because it doesn't really improve air humidity. If it does, it's only for a very short amount of time, nothing significant change the well being of the plant. But there are occasions when being able to spray a plant. For example, if you're treating them with insecticial soap, or SB Plant Invigorator or some other pest control spray, you do need to have some misters.

Jane Perrone 08:18

And it's very tempting to go online and see these lovely brass things or I don't know cut glass crystal misters in all kinds of things you get but every time I've spent money on those or sometimes being given one I've found that they give out within a very short period of time. They get glued up - especially where I live where the water is quite hard to get mineral build up. What has worked unfailingly, however, is getting a spray bottle that used to have spray cleaner in it. The one I use is available here in the UK. It's called Method and it's a spray cleaner. It comes in various permutations - shower spray, kitchen spray, bathroom spray, etc. And provided that you wash the bottle out well, you know rinse it with water several times and make sure you spray out the water that's in the pump so that you get rid of all that you can refill it with your substance of choice and it works really well for spraying your houseplants. I generally find these bottles last well over a year of almost daily use before they start to give up the ghost and you have to put them in the recycling but they're great.

Jane Perrone 09:30

So if you can find a spray bottle and reuse it, just make sure that you add a sticky label saying what's in there so you don't mix things up. It's also advisable if you're mixing up, say a concentrate of SB Plant Invigorator to make a note on the bottle about when you have mixed that up so you know how old it is. You don't want that kind of stuff hanging around for months on end. But in my experience, I tend to get through it quite quite quickly anyway, keeping pests at bay. My only problem these days is I've started using the cleaner fluid sachets which you drop into an existing bottle. So I don't actually have as many empty Method bottles as I used to do.

Jane Perrone 10:16

Item number two, if you ever get a takeaway or go to a Chinese restaurant and get a pair of wooden chopsticks, whether you're dexterous enough to use them, or whether they just sit in the paper packet, these are something that is worth putting aside rather than putting in your landfill or recycling bin because they are super, super useful for houseplant care. What do I use a wooden chopstick for? Well, there's a couple of things - you can use them as a moisture metre. So take one, plunge it without hesitation into the centre of a root ball, leave it there for about half an hour to an hour. And when you pull it out, you'll see whether that stick is bone dry and soil free or very damp and covered in soil and that will give you a really good guide as to whether that plant needs watering or not.

Jane Perrone 11:10

Obviously, if you've got a really small plant, it might be too large at all for this and if you've got really tiny plants, you might use a wooden toothpick instead. And you can also use said chopstick or indeed the toothpick for tiny plants for ever eating the root balls of houseplants where the potting medium over time becomes a bit slumped and a bit solid. A few holes poked in with the chopstick or in the case of tiny plants a toothpick will really help the plant to get some air into that root ball and be able to absorb more water. And the final item is plastic cups - the clear plastic kind that you might get with maybe an iced coffee that you buy or in the case of our household recently my daughter has really gone into the bubble tea scene. There are two bubble tea shops in my town. One of them she really likes the other one she doesn't like so much. And when she gets the chance to go there as a treat she gets a bubble tea. Now those bubble tea cups, the clear plastic ones are ideal to use as plant pots. Very very simple. If you need to add drainage if you happen to not be using a hydroponic system, then you can just cut a hole very carefully in the base with a sharp knife, as many holes as you need for drainage purposes. Just be careful as they used to say on Blue Peter, make sure you have an adult in attendance. Particularly if you're not feeling particularly adult on that day.

Jane Perrone 12:46

If you're not sure about the pros and cons of using clear plastic pots do go and listen to my clear plastic pot episode which is number one nine for next up some things that you might have lying around the house that you can use to save some cash when it comes to doing interesting things with your houseplant. And the first of those is terracotta wine coolers. Do you know what I'm talking about? They're basically a terracotta pot, but a tall thin one. You can buy these new but they often might be lurking in your cupboards or possibly you can pick one up in a charity shop or thrift store or junk shop. Now they're obviously great for chilling wine but you can also use them to set up a self watering container for an apathetic plant. You want this to be unglazed so that it's porous. That means that the water inside will very gradually permeate through and keep whatever plant you decide to attach to the outside damp.

Jane Perrone 13:51

Now I haven't tried this yet. I have been keeping my beady eye open for one of these wine coolers in the local charity shops and it has not come up yet. Some people suggest wrapping the outside of the wine cooler in something called hygrolon which is a kind of wicking material that is popular with aquascaperr. Some people just take moss and use fishing line to wrap that around the outside of the pot and then add tiny things like miniature orchids, bromeliads, the world is your oyster.

Jane Perrone 14:23

I suspect this is one of these projects that is not straightforward. You'd have to play around with it. But I think it's certainly worth trying if you have a terracotta wine cooler that you haven't been using. And a very tangential aside if you happen to keep Axolotl. I've also heard that these make very good Axolotl hides to the final thing that you can go hunting for our clear plastic boxes. So these might be the kind of things that you get a takeaway in, or if you've listened to my episode on Peperomia you may remember the famous houmous pot propagation technique. So any clear plastic container with a lid that you can close makes a great propagation vessel, whether you're just adding a drop or two of water and you're cutting as you do for the hummus technique with your Peperomia cuttings, or whether you're laying down a bed of damp perlite or expanded clay pebbles at the bottom, and then adding your cuttings on the top, making sure that the point where you want the roots to grow is in closest contact with that damp substrate. But that's not all - plastic containers come in all shapes and sizes. And you might be looking for a plastic container that can actually house a plant in the longer term. Now, I'm not a great fan of the chocolate known as Ferrero Rocher. But the ambassador is certainly spoiling us when it comes to the packaging that this sweet treat comes in. They come in different shapes. The treasure chest box, makes a nice little miniature terrarium, the flat one that's got one layer of chocolates, and he's either square or various sizes. That's a great propagation box. And you can also get a cone shaped one I think, which I think would make a really good cloche for putting over a plant if you've got something small, maybe something like a jewel orchid. If you don't have one of these Ferrero Rocher boxes, and you don't necessarily want to rush out and buy some chocolates you don't like just for this purpose. Do ask around friends and family because you'd be surprised how many people hoard this kind of stuff and never put it to any use. So ask around you never know who might have a secret stash of Ferrero Rocher box is just for you.

Jane Perrone 16:50

And equally if you've got glass domed cake plates or cheese containers that you just never use, well, hey, why not actually put them to daily use, you could put a range of miniature plants underneath that dome. And hey, presto, you've got a beautiful looking clash. I mean, how often do you use those kinds of things I find they sit in the cupboard and don't get used. So why not press them into service for your plants, you'll get a lot more wear out of them. And finally, let's turn to the clothes rack. Now if you have so few DIY skills, that the idea of connecting some kind of hook to your ceiling to hang plants from is absolutely beyond the pale. Honestly, do not be ashamed if that's you because it's also me I am a complete DIY no hoper. Or perhaps you live in a rental where you can't do that kind of thing.

Jane Perrone 17:51

A clothes rack is a brilliant way of creating an area of hanging plants without having to go to any of that trouble. You might have one hanging around otherwise, they can be picked up really quite cheaply on things like Facebook marketplace often free or for a few quid from just looking on my local Facebook marketplace. And I can see an Ikea - a white IKEA one here for a tenner, that looks really quite good. That one comes on wheels. So even better, because you can move it around and get it to a light place. And there's somebody else selling two white ones for five pounds, they look quite minimalist but would certainly serve the purpose. So see what I mean there are closed racks out there, people are trying to get rid of them. And you can get one for yourself for a very small amount. And then you've got a great set of options. You can hang plants from the main rail, if it's got a shelf underneath, you could put plants on there. Also, it's a heck of a lot cheaper than buying one of these things that are labelled plant stands. It's a bit like planning a wedding. As soon as you say that something's for a wedding, the price doubles. So a wedding cake is double the price of any other cake. You know what I mean? It is the same with plant stuff. So you know, a fancy wheeled plant stand is gonna cost you a fortune. But if you can repurpose a clothes rack, it's gonna save you some serious money. So those are my thrifty tips for this week. And I'd love to know what you're doing with stuff you've raked out of the recycling. Have you got some clever ideas that I haven't mentioned? Do drop me a line and tell me what you've been up to. And I will share in next week's episode. And now it's time to hear from this week's a meet the listener subject. And it's Natalie from Portland, Oregon in the US.

Jane Perrone 19:54

When did you get into houseplants and why?

Natalie 19:57

I had had some plants When I grew up in New York, you know, mostly sad succulents doomed to die on Brooklyn windowsills. But I moved across the country in 2018 to Washington State and now live in Oregon. And when I moved out here, I began working on farms and in landscaping and eventually, nurseries. And I started getting into gardening in general and landscaping and then my boss at the time gave me a Monstera borsigiana cutting and from that point on, I was totally hooked. And I now have I've had over 100 plants at several points, but now I've probably got about 70 Give or take,

Jane Perrone 20:42

What's the latest addition to your house plant collection?

Jane Perrone 20:45

Complete the sentence. "I love my houseplants because..."

Natalie 20:45 The newest plant that I've gotten was a Ficus quercifolia, which is really, really adorable. It has these tiny, tiny little almost maple shaped thieves are kind of duck-foot shaped leaves. It's kind of like a creeping fig. It just grows really nicely trailing and hanging baskets or kind of creeping along the bottom of a te rrarium. Super cute. And when I saw it at the nursery that I work at, I just had to get one.

Natalie 20:48

I love my houseplants because they helped me to quiet my mind whether I'm just looking at them sitting in my plant room, or watering or repotting, they helped me stay grounded in the present and not get too wrapped up in whatever other little things are going on. I'm also not terribly patient person and I think caring for plants over the past few years and nurturing them or trying to rescue dying plants from the sale rack has helped me to become a more patient person.

Jane Perrone 21:51 Who is your houseplant hero?

Natalie 21:54

Not to be a total suckup, but Jane Perrone is definitely my houseplant hero - On The Ledge was the first podcast and then I kind of started with YouTube. And I've learned in immeasurable amount over the past few years from listening to On The Ledge. And I really admire your commitment to deepening your knowledge and taking extra classes and getting certifications and those are all things that I really want to do and you have just given me further inspiration to do so.

Jane Perrone 22:22

Name your plantagonist - the plant you simply cannot get along with...

Natalie 22:29

My plantagonist is absolutely Dieffenbachia. There are some really beautiful cultivars out there, and some people can keep them alive. I do not understand what they want to be happy. Whether it was in my house or at various nurseries, it seems like they're miserable when they're dry. They're miserable when they're wet, and mealybugs absolutely love them. And if you've pulled enough wet, gooey, rotten Dieffenbachia leaves off of enough plants, and then found a colony of mealy bugs you too would want to finish this from your home.

Jane Perrone 23:06

Thank you so much to Natalie and if you'd like to put yourself forward for listener and why wouldn't you because you are worth it. Please drop me a line to on heledgepodcast@gmail.com and instructions will be winging their way to you.

Jane Perrone 23:22

Now it's time for question of the week which comes from Abigail, who's a new listener to the show. Welcome, Abigail. The problem comes in the shape of a big old alocasia and the problem started when Abigail decided to repot this plant because it was wobbly and top heavy. So Abigail decided to repot into a big nursery pot and build up the soil quite a bit to add stability but a week later, the leaves are now super droopy.

Jane Perrone 23:54

What is going on? Abigail, I feel your pain - Alocasias can be a little bit dramatic in their ways. And repotting is a time of stress for a plant when is being moved from one environment to another. The roots are being disturbed and the plant sometimes does protest. And you say that you repotted into a big nursery pot and built up the soil quite a bit. So I'm wondering how much of an upgrade that was: the reason I'm concerned is because generally speaking, it's wise to not move a plant to a really large pot. When it's got a relatively small root ball, you got to think of the ratio of root ball to the rest of the potting mix in that container. If the root ball is quite a small proportion of the overall volume in the pot, then you end up with a problem because there's not enough roots in that pot to deal with all the moisture that's there. And oftentimes that can lead to root rot. Also, generally, it's not advisable to change the depth of the plant in the pot from what it was in before.

Jane Perrone 25:15

So if you look at the stem, you can see where the substrate ends and the plant goes up into the air as it were. And you generally want to keep that point the same because if the plant ends up kind of up to its neck in substrate, oftentimes, that won't make it happy. But I do appreciate your concern because obviously, this plant was top heavy and not very stable. I can see from your pictures that the plant does have some new small leaves growing in. I suspect that those really large allocation leaves, I'm not exactly sure which allocation you've got there, but it's one of the huge leaved ones. I suspect that those big leaves might be doomed. I hate to tell you this, but I think that the new leaves that are coming in look really healthy. And so hopefully, given lots of light, and that is a really good factor. You need lots of light for this plant. given lots of light, I think it will be okay. There's not much you can do about those leaves. If they become droopy, they may well end up dying back but the new hope is in those new leaves for you, it may be worth just having a little bit of a faucet cut around the top of the pot and making sure that the neck of the plant is not buried too deeply. This isn't usually a major problem for Alocasia, but it's might be worth just checking on that. And depending on how far down the line you are with it now maybe even just reducing the size of the pot would probably help a bit.

Jane Perrone 26:52

Abigail you do say that you've moved the plant from the kitchen into the bathroom to have some more light - window plus group grow light and humidity to see if that helps. Yep, that certainly will help if you've got to grow light on it. And with any luck, this plant will perk up before long just maximise that light if you can without burning the plant just gradually build it up the more light you can give that plant the better it will do. I hope that helps Abigail and if you've got a question for on the ledge drop me a line on the ledge podcast@gmail.com.

Jane Perrone 27:47

Heads up before I go. I am going to be doing an upcoming episode on various new in inverted commas because they're not really new to be honest new houseplants, one of which is Geogenanthus ciliatus Gog and amphis Silly artists. So if you've had experience growing Geogenanthus, this is purple leaved member of the Commelinaceae family, the Tradescantia family - I'd love to hear from you your experiences how you found that plant so do let me know. But for now, that's all for this week show. Whatever you're up to this week, remember before you care for your plants, make sure you're caring for yourself bye.

Jane Perrone 29:07

The music you heard in this week's podcast was Roll Jordan Roll by the Joy Drops. The Road We Used to Travel When We Were Young by Komiku, Chiefs by Jahzaar and Plantation by Jason Shaw. And the ad music was Whistling Rufus by the Heftone Banjo Orchestra. All tracks are licenced under Creative Commons. Visit the show notes for details.

It’s Earth Day, so let’s take a look at what you can find and reuse for your houseplants. Rifle through the recycling bin, search your kitchen cupboards and you’ll find plenty of stuff you can press into service. Plus I answer a question about a droopy Alocasia and we hear from listener Natalie.

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Things to reclaim from your recycling bin, raid the kitchen cupboards and scour thrift/charity stores for these items - Freecycle, Facebook Marketplace and other sites are another source!

1. Spray bottles

   I don’t generally mist plants, but spray bottles are useful for applying pest treatments. I have tried lots of misters, and the ones I have paid for don’t seem to last long. The best performer I have found is a repurposed spray cleaner bottle from cleaning company Method. Just make sure you wash them out thoroughly before use and label them carefully. Never heard of SB Plant Invigorator? Find out more here.

2. Wooden chopsticks (and toothpicks)

   If you get chopsticks with a takeaway, don’t throw them away - keep them for poking holes in plants’ rootballs to help add air pockets. For really small plants, you can use toothpicks instead.

3. Clear plastic cups

   If you like the odd bubble tea or iced coffee, you may well end up with a supply of clear plastic cups that are ideas for potting up houseplants. Check out this episode for more on the pros and cons of clear plastic pots for houseplants.

4. Terracotta wine coolers

   These are usually made from porous terracotta so you can fill them with water, then use fishing line to attach moss and epiphytic plants around the outside. The water seeps through to keep things moist. I haven’t tried this one yet, but really want to give it a whirl! Hygrolon is popular with aquascapers and can be wrapped around the terracotta pot.

5. Ferrero Rocher boxes

   These chocolate boxes come in a variety of shapes - the wide flat boxes make great prop boxes, the ‘treasure chest’ shaped ones are good as tiny terrariums, and the cone-shaped ones can be used as mini cloches. If you have clear glass or plastic cheese or cake domes, these can also be pressed into service as terrariums and cloches. Didn’t get the “ambassador” reference? Ferrero Rocher’s cringey ads are explained here.

6. Clothes rails

   If you can’t make permanent ceiling attachments for trailing or hanging plants, a clothes rack makes a brilliant plant hanger - especially if it has wheels so you can move it to maximise light!

Question of the week

Abigail’s Alocasia is looking droopy after a repot. What can she do about it?

After a repot, some plants do experience some shock - particularly Alocasias. It’s always tempting to “upgrade” a plant into a much larger pot, but often this causes problems such as root rot. I’d advise Abigail to check the roots - but I hope that the plant will recover: even if the two mature leaves fade, the young new leaves should take their place.

Want to ask me a question? Email ontheledgepodcast@gmail.com. The more information you can include, the better - pictures of your plant, details of your location and how long you have had the plant are always useful to help solve your issue

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CREDITS

This week's show featured the tracks Whistling Rufus by the Heftone Banjo Orchestra, Roll Jordan Roll by the Joy Drops, The Road We Use To Travel When We Were Kids by Komiku, Chiefs by Jahzzar and Plantation by Jason Shaw.